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Post by billymiller on Jun 8, 2015 12:22:33 GMT -5
Only a shot fired inside the limo could've left the smell gunpowder near and west of the overpass. The driver's shot was proven five years ago this coming September. According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo. From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education ForumThe Smell of Gunsmoke at Street Level Firecracker - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education ForumIn addition to the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, there were also nose witnesses to the murder. Those who smelled gunpowder at the scene of the shooting helped to pinpoint the source of the shots. Placed on a map (Fig. 3-7), they were within the path of the motorcade or near Elm St. The motorcade headed west down Elm St. into a modest breeze. Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning, why you - you've got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder…right there in the street." “Nose” witnessesSenator Ralph W. Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital. Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Mrs. Cabell said that she "…was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder." She added that Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also. According to Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he "…very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets." Vergie Rackley stood in front of the depository building. "She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke…" At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass. When interviewed at that time, he stated that he smelled gunpowder near the underpass. Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, stated that he heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him. A police officer who was on the sixth floor of the depository shortly after the shooting failed to smell any gunpowder there. One newspaper summed it up: "… seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder." Shots from the sixth floor of the depository building would have caused no gunpowder smell in the street. Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy: Fred T. Newcomb: 9781463422424: Amazon.com: BooksMany eye, ear, and nose witnesses supported a shot in or around the Presidential limo. Ralph, is in the backseat on the right in the blue car. www.google.com/search?q=ralph+yarborough&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9xCjU8rWG-aO8QH524HIBw&sqi=2&ved=0CK0BEIke&biw=1536&bih=748Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. " The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was two cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.  
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Post by spots on Jun 8, 2015 20:26:37 GMT -5
Spend less time studying Dealey Plaza and more time on men's business dealings and who knew who. I did an extensive amount of research on all the mobsters involved. This is the hierarchy I have settled on:
Hyman Larner
Meyer Lansky
Sam Giancana
Carlos Marcello
Santo Trafficante
Johnny Rosselli
CIA David Morales and so on.
Jewish and Italian mobsters with ties to the CIA, FBI, Cuban exile groups, Israel, Saudi Arabia, teamsters, local law officials, Texas oil money, secret service, politicians, etc. The Kennedy's and other decent people came under the conspiracy out of fear and also because the coup d'estat was designed after a plan JFK & Bobby intended to illegally assassinate Castro. The conspiracy had everyone by the balls.
For instance Lee Harvey Oswald was a courier for the mob, the FBI and CIA, as well as a Zionist making a biological weapon in New Orleans by the name of Dr. Oschner.
Tampa and Chicago had assassination plots that were foiled. It was the same cabal of men city to city. Each of the mob bosses tried to line it up to happen in each of their various cities. (Dallas was under the jurisdiction of New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello, for example.)
Legacy of Secrecy is the most accurate book to date. As always, the Zionist connection is always the hardest to find because millions of people are actively working to bury the truth.
Other characters: Irv Davidson a lobbyist with ties to dictators & Israel, Jimmy Hoffa a union organizer, LBJ a man on the verge of political death growing very desperate. George H. Bush an up and coming CIA leader. Frank Sturgis, Rip Robertson, E. Howard Hunt.
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Post by spots on Jun 9, 2015 2:35:17 GMT -5
Talking about Dealey Plaza is usually a distraction. Why?
Because you'll just end up with the name of a hired gun. Why?
Because the body was tampered with to fit the lone gunman theory. Why?
Because they worked dilligently to triangulate the evidence so that people would be arguing over the shooter 50 years after the fact. There are still disinformation agents out there. Follow the money. Follow the politics. Follow the history.
Military Industrial Complex hated JFK for the way he mishandled the Bay of Pigs.
Rank and file army forces, CIA, & Cuban frogmen hated JFK because he threw decent leaders under the bus and they suspected that JFK had given up on winning Cuba back for the exiles who hated Castro.
The Mafia hated JFK and Bobby for their betrayal after doing so much for their father.
Texas oil men hated JFK for proposed new regulations.
American Jewish and Italian business men hated JFK for losing assets in Cuba.
Israel hated JFK for this.
J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Johnson hated JFK for that.
It was like the film Oriental Express. Damn near everybody killed Kennedy. Everybody benefitted from it. But Hyman Larner, Meyer Lansky, & Sam Giancana are your top brass. Zionists.
Jack Ruby admitted he killed Oswald to keep the heat off the Zionists. Jack Ruby was born Jack Rubenstein.
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Post by billymiller on Jun 17, 2015 14:00:39 GMT -5
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Post by mikenvee on Jun 18, 2015 6:44:54 GMT -5
Donald already said who did it
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Post by billymiller on Jun 20, 2015 23:22:24 GMT -5
Dennis was shown a 16 millimeter film of jfk at Bethesda Naval Hospital and witnessed the simple entry wound above the right eye and massive blow-out in the right rear. Bill Pitzer shot the film and was murdered three years later. Dennis David riversong.wordpress.com/the-threads-of-conspiracy-unravel/" I can assure that it definitely was an entry wound in the forehead." " It is inconceivable that anyone even vaguely acquainted with gunshot wounds would conclude that the massive wound in the rear of Jfk's of skull could have occurred from a rear-entry projectile."   
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Post by spots on Jun 22, 2015 3:26:48 GMT -5
THE BODY WAS TAMPERED WITH AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. Read "Best Evidence" Evidence that professionals tampered with JFK's body provides more questions regarding the structure of the conspiracy. It also makes the autopsy almost worthless in these discussions. You will like the book "Best Evidence," I promise. If we want to believe this theory that Jackie was involved, why did she need the assistance of a four man sniper team with high powered rifles? And why do you care so much who the shooter was? m.youtube.com/results?q=what%20they%20saw%20jfk&sm=3 |
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Post by billymiller on Jun 24, 2015 7:49:13 GMT -5
It is very clear that the shot came from the driver and impacted the right forehead. That was proven years ago without challenge. In fact this gif file I just found perfectly shows Greer's left arm lift up when he fires at jfk.  |
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Post by billymiller on Jun 27, 2015 11:24:40 GMT -5
The Zfilm shows the President being shot in the forehead and the back of the head literally popping off. This visual fact is corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses. I've included three, two of which were SS agents in the follow-up car. Nobody has or will ever honestly make a case for one bullet entering the rear and creating a large exit in the rear. As 50th Anniversary Of Assassination Approaches, Surgeon Who Treated JFK Remembers « CBS PhillyTwo other doctors were already treating Kennedy, Dr. Perry and Dr. Jenkins, and they ordered Dr. McClelland to hold the patient’s head.
So, he stood, holding the bleeding, injured head of the President of the United States. The wound was huge, gaping. “My first reaction was, ‘ My God, have you seen the back of the President’s head?’” McClelland says. They hadn’t. In hindsight, Dr. McClelland says that he always believed the wound at the back of President Kennedy’s head was the exit wound. But it wasn’t until years later, when he saw the famous Abraham Zapruder video on television, that the doctor became convinced of it. “ That firmed up my thought that it was the exit wound,” he says, pointing to the backwards motion of the President’s body after he was shot, as well as the size of the hole in the back of JFK’s skull, as proof he was shot from the front. He is, however, sure of some things: " There were at least two shooters (“absolutely”) and the assassination was likely a conspiracy involving government “elements.”   
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Post by billymiller on Jun 28, 2015 8:44:26 GMT -5
How can the "Zfilm" show the president getting shot in the forehead when you claim those frames were "faked"? I ANSWERED THIS SILLY QUESTION AS FOLLOWS: Because the back of the head blown off in Zapruder is corroborated by 40 eyewitnesses, and the AR. The most logical reason for the red blob addition was to cover up the bullet's entry and provide an exit wound in a logical location to the supposed entrance. We know there wasn't a large wound in the right front because the AR and photos exclude it, and no eyewitness reported anything missing there. The film was altered, but not enough to keep the truth from being realized. FRAME 327 provides a fake loss of skull and brain in the right front.   
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Post by spots on Jul 1, 2015 18:36:24 GMT -5
The body was tampered with. End of story.
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Post by billymiller on Jul 1, 2015 22:52:40 GMT -5
The body was tampered with. End of story. . The driver fired the fatal shot no matter anyone says. Start at 1:48: This is an interview done in 1971 where Mrs. Hill directly admits to a shot in the car. Roy Dennis: But ah, you do recall at least one shot from the front of the car?Jean Hill: Yes. Vocaroo | Voice messageHere's an email exchange between Tyler Newcomb and myself in regards to an audio interview of Jean Hill acquired by them around 1971. Tyler is working to get some of this vintage audio online. I will keep you abreast of Tyler's progress unless he starts posting himself. Below is an excerpt from Tyler's foreword in Murder from Within which was republished in 2011. Jean Hill confirms more directly in this interview that there was a shot in the front of Jfk's limo and that is just icing on top of icing at this point. The exact quote on the tape was " Yes" when asked…" But you do remember at least one shot from the front of the car" On Aug 4, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "." <.com> wrote: Creepy for sure, including Roy! What about that transcript of Jean Hill? Even just some of it. Are these from your interviews? Are they accurate? Zapruder Film Shows JFK's Driver Firing Fatal Head Shot (August 7, 2007)1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb. 2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy: Fred T. Newcomb: 9781463422424: Amazon.com: BooksDuring this time Dad (FRED NEWCOMB) and his two associates Gil Toff and Roy Dennis telephonically interviewed nearly 50 witnesses comprising 30 hours of tape. Many of these interviews became the basis for the book. One cannot listen to some of the Dallas Police officers interviewed ( who smelled “gunpowder right there in the street” and heard shots “right next to me”) and not come away convinced there really was gunfire from within the motorcade. One cannot listen to 2 police officers stationed at Parkland Hospital who were standing next to the Limo and who each saw a bullet hole in the windshield and not become convinced of evidence tampering by the Secret Service. Jean Hill saw Greer shoot Kennedy She was just speculating that Greer was shooting back at whomever was shooting at the President. This was an easy way of saying it without exactly saying it. But in those moments she may have thought it because it would be shocking to see your President killed intentionally by the men who took an oath to protect him from assassination attempts. Mrs. Hill clearly turned to the left as the limo passed by in response to the shots and Greer suddenly braking during his second turn to execute the coup de grâce. Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis HillMr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard? Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know. Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot? Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned. Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was? Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down. Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot? Mrs. HILL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service? Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back." Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot? Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else. Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from? Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll. Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll? Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't. Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right. Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots? Mrs. HILL - No. Jean Hill was looking at the limo when Greer shot Jfk. FRAME 310.   CASE CLOSED |
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Post by billymiller on Jul 2, 2015 11:26:21 GMT -5
MY REPLY TO A SIMPLE DENIALIST: Jean Hill was not unsure about a shot in the car and your claim that she was is refuted by her 1971 interview. Start at 1:48: This is an interview done in 1971 where Mrs. Hill directly admits to a shot in the car. Roy Dennis: But ah, you do recall at least one shot from the front of the car?Jean Hill: Yes. Again, I know why you ignore that many people would've testified to Greer's shot because that destroys your simple denial of facts. All kinds of people reported evidence of a gunshot in or around the car. You just ignore most of the them and don't provide any other explanation besides the obvious, because there is no other logical explanation besides the driver shooting back. Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle StoreArlen Specter told Dr. Ronald Coy Jones, www.google.com/search?q=ronald+coy+jones&biw=1536&bih=703&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=BS1NVOeeEISayQTUyYKADw&ved=0CC0QsAQ#imgdii=_ Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store"We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either." December 28, 2013 By Alexander J. Marciniszyn They didn't say anything for their own reasons and they didn't lie. It may matter to you, but not the facts that prove Greer's shot. To suggest they would've told the truth then or now is insane. It was very politically incorrect then or today. The film was altered, so anything that isn't there is because of that. Most of Greer's shot remains, though. Your denials are stupid. Anyone who believes you is stupid and willfully ignorant. You have to go against everything factual about the shooting in order to believe that what really happened didn't. What you need (facts and evidence) you'll never get. He passed the weapon starting at frame 241. That's the handgun he used to shoot jfk.  |
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Post by billymiller on Jul 3, 2015 11:44:19 GMT -5
Somebody refers to a specific person and the front excludes the grassy snow job. Bill Greer, provided an ironic photo a billion times over if the picture was taken after the assassination?The intro is posted in full on Amazon.com. Click the link below and scroll down. The shooter they would have named could've only been the driver of jfk's limousine. As a last resort click the book link to reach the introduction. We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 Kindle Edition by Allen Childs MD (Author) 2013 Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store Alexander J. Marciniszyn was the person who wrote the short review that mentioned that several eyewitnesses saw somebody shoot the President from the front.Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones, 'We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either.'" Not much of a revelation to anyone who's studied the Kennedy assassination in depth. This author just throws up his hands in a "what is history and what is real or not?" kind of way at the end.  
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Post by billymiller on Jul 4, 2015 15:10:26 GMT -5
The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 service revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backward was caused by the close range shot. John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38 This testimony and evidence leaves no doubt about Greer's close range shot with a high velocity handgun. Dr. Mcclelland. I think even then you could make the statement that this wound could have resulted from this type bullet fired through this particular mass of soft tissue, losing that much velocity before it exited from the body. Where you would expect to see this really great hole that is left behind would be, for instance, from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range, which would make a small entrance hole, relatively, and particularly if it entered some portion of the anatomy such as the head, where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited. But I don't think the bullet of this nature fired from that distance and going through this large area of homogenous soft tissue would necessarily make the usual kind of exit wound like I just described, with a close range high velocity heavy caliber bullet. This is why it would be difficult to say with certainty as has been implied in some newspaper articles that quoted me, that you could tell for sure that this was an entrance or an exit wound. I think this was blown up a good deal. " Handgun used" 2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: Dr. Charles Wilber concluded after reviewing the notes made by surgeons at Parkland Hospital, that they suggested that the head wound was made by a hand gun fired at close range. Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: U.S. Secret Service involvement in the JFK assassination 6. A.J. Millican: “ It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.” <19WCH486> 7. S.M. Holland: “ It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.”
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