Celine O'carroll
8 July 2015
Link and message from Charlie Legendd who gave permission to post here......
"This discusses EVERYTHING Don has spoke about ---it is weird... it is like THEY are doing a social conditioning/social experiment to see how people interact without bringing them to CC and letting them retain the memories... rather they are letting them use an avatars in an online virtual reality simulation .By wearing Occulus Rift head gear which stimulates Virtual Reality experience from 1st person perspective) users can view the online world in their Avatar bodies... -put loosely, there is also the 'transfer of consciousness' -from the orginal to the avatar self. what you do as an Avatar, can transfer into the real world. The currency earned in Second Life can be transferred into real currency, in the real world... Artist can put up paintings, create songs and give concerts... if their virtual work is popular, people can offer to buy their real paintings; be signed to a record label etc...Hmm... I wonder where we have heard such a similar story of avatar bodies expressing their creativity, and having their creativity projected into the real world wink emoticon. Most people described are using it as a tool to express their creativity. While others are doing the dirty and depraved things Don speaks about at CC. wink emoticon."
"After looking into it for a bit (not that it requires much of a stretch of the imagination) Second Life is a social experiment. And also a method of social conditioning. People have put up YouTube videos of cloning their avatars, avatar sex, doing rituals (OMG! sick rituals), cannibals, aliens, sword fighting, karate fighting, getto fighting, all sorts of fighting -it's all there! In a what is supposed to be a game!
*sigh* these elite people really are something... It makes me wonder what is the point? I.e. is this a method to lessen public punishment, (when everything comes to light globally) to suggest to the public that -it's just human nature to do the sex and fighting stuff -when there are no inhibitions- this is what humans naturally do to begin with -but it got out of hand - and had these people on SL been the ones to discover REM cloning and had their own cloning facilities -their SL behaviours would be similar to how they would behave at CC... many people have admitted that their avatar is them/vice versa...
Another thing I picked up is that you can be ANY avatar on SL. I'm not sure Don has mentioned it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they transfer human consciousness to a cloned animal/an animal in REM sleep (and have that animal run around "talking" -disturbing thought, I know -but that game is based on real life and not an imagined concept -*sigh*)
Don did mention how they do 'werewolves' -i.e. head of a wolf stuck on cloned body -human consciousness running it....
You know there is always a huge nature/nurture debate, and the role environment plays. Who knows, could be a plea bargain method. Reminds me of the film "Trading places" --*sigh*
And then I thought about the social conditioning aspect... especially with using Occulus rift for 1st person perspective...
You know sometimes... when you wish you are wrong... I REALLY want to be wrong on the above... but there are just too many red flags... "
This is the Second Life website.............
secondlife.com/Celine O'carroll Charlie Legendd.....
Check out the video explain what can be achieved as an avatar (only min 1.32)
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The Drax Files World Makers: Stories from Second Life
In the digital universe known as Second...
Celine O'carroll.... Charlie Legendd.....
This is the Occulus rift (2.min 7secs) vid
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Second Life - How to Use Oculus Rift with Second Life
Learn more at:
www.secondlife.com.
Laurence Mountford Second life and lots of digital games are facsimiles for what the Elites do using digital Avatars and Vice Versa. It doesn't really matter which came first, both forms are born from the same desire to experience. Its just unfortunate that Some people's Second Lives happen to influence all Our Actual Lives.
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Celine O'carroll... Also from Charlie Legendd.....errr Celine, I hope I'm wrong though. For those that have not read the professor's corroborating article the linchpin to why it is a social experiment and not just a game is not so clear... (and that works for the elite too) - because we can look at SL and say it is similar to cc -but then an outsider could always say you're getting well ahead of yourself... but the author made sure to labour her arguments and even gave a definition for 'consciousness transfer' -arguing that the person remains the same from one body to the next, only inhibitions stops them from exploring experiences.
Had I read the post on D's wall, and looked at the links -I could make out that -fair I can see similarities between SL and cc. However, the author made sure to hammer home the difference, between those who believe they are merely playing a game, and those who truly believe their avatar IS their actual selves... she argued her point on many angles -and still people said their SL avatars is their actual self / vice versa. There is no defending that....
For those people who are performing rituals, and cannibalising etc in SL -- it's going to be hard to defend that fact by saying 'it's just a game, after admitting many times over their avatar is actually them, (especially those who use Occulus rift) and I wouldn't do that in RL won't cut it'. If you wouldn't do it in real life would you do it as an REM driven clone?? That's not real life (*sarcasm*), it's Vahalla, the fifth dimension, a singularity, etc. etc.
Ohhh so long as it is not real life and the fifth dimension, Vahalla, a singularity, then where do I sign up? The point is they would do it, even as clones, they would do it, even knowing they are clones and they have pseudo immortality they would do it, and there are less restrictions on their clone avatars they would do it.
Even if they are publicly told, SL is more than a game, it is a social experiment to see how people behave when there are no restrictions placed on them, and we are interested in researching individuals who unequivocally believe, their SL avatar is them / vice versa. I think this would even add fuel to the fire ---as some would want attention, want to be seen as the 'coolest' -so that their SL escapades is featured in the research / known to all other SL users.
Now take this a step further and tell the SL users that instead of conducting their experiences digitally they can experience it biologically, as REM driven clones -I bet excitement will spread across their faces. I wouldn't be surprised if some SL users have been taken to CC, and had their CC environment set up exactly like their SL environment, where they performed those rituals or canibalistic acts for real, just to wake up thinking 'it's was a really weird dream'
It's really hard to say 'off with someone's head' when given the opportunity and circumstance you'd behave exactly the same. Do you see the dilemma?
And with the fact that SL merges into real life where people can get signed to record labels, exchange money etc... Remember the point where she said in SL the only thing which cannot be accounted for is time... time ticks the same as it does in real life...
Don has been asked about how time works at cc -and he answered 'There is no time distortion. Time is the same'. Underneath her research it is really CC.
SL is the same as CC. People are behaving the same manner in SL as they are at CC. *facepalm*
Btw, in the footnotes in the research the author provided links (some of them are broken -but you can just type this into google), such as 'the band who got signed from SL etc'
Laurence Mountford its all kinda in a ploy to prepare people mentally for the idea of publicly known cloning with acceptance.
Laurence Mountford The author probably goes to cloning.