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Post by Astral Light on Oct 9, 2016 18:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by Astral Light on Oct 9, 2016 18:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by azure on Oct 13, 2016 16:17:57 GMT -5
I share the below (long) posting I received today concerning the replacement of Hillary Clinton with clones. It went to subscribers of Suzy Ward's "Messages from Matthew," which goes directly to 9,000+ recipients. They are also published to numerous channels around the world in 23 languages. This is good news, because these postings have high credibility with subscribers. So regardless of one's opinion of the source of the information, the point I am making is that another channel of news of cloning activities is reaching a large and receptive group of people around the world. It contains an (older) explanation of how the cloning is done, its prevalence, its misuse on our planet, what happens to resisters, the risk of being trapped by dark forces, and more. And, that only Hillary's clones will be seen henceforth. I am neither inviting nor offering analysis of the contents of the message, my only point being that here is a big cloning report out to the planet that will undoubtedly drive searches for more information.
indexangel4suzy@yahoo.com [MessagesfromMatthew] <MessagesfromMatthew@yahoogroups.com>
10:42 AM (3 hours ago) to MessagesfromMa.
With loving greetings from all souls at this station, this is Matthew. Earth’s energy field of potential is teeming with activity like never before in your recorded history as powerful waves of light are propelling efforts toward outcomes you will heartily welcome. This influx of light is fast weakening the Illuminati’s hold on their fragments of economic, political and media control and has motivated many minions in lower ranks to leave so there will be distance between them and their former associates when truths emerge about the Illuminati. Those at the top are trying to salvage some of their former power, but it will be to no avail—none of their nefarious schemes will succeed. Accelerating vibrations along with evidence in hacked documents, leaked information, whistleblowers and firm action by influential individuals in governments, military and intelligence forces, and banking and legal systems are bringing an end to the Illuminati’s long dark reign.
Recent Internet articles posit that when Hillary Clinton speaks publicly, people are seeing a clone, not the person. Although most who read that information would consider it an absurd smear tactic, the idea that a human might be cloned is seeping into public awareness. So that you understand why and how human cloning has been done in your world, I asked my mother to copy what Hugo, an advanced soul who is very familiar with this, told her 20 years ago. And I must say, he was exceedingly patient as questions in her mind kept popping up like firecrackers. [The following is an excerpt from the “Human Cloning” chapter in Revelations for a New Era.]
Hello, Madam Suzy! I am glad to join your company in this moment. It is my understanding that you have questioned if cloning of adult humans has been done on Earth. Indeed that is fact, and has been for some time, as Matthew told you. I shall start straightaway, at the beginning of the cloning process, if I may. Thank you.
Human cloning is a process whereby the cellular material of a living being is taken for the purpose of reproducing the exact same likeness in a new entity. The cellular material is placed in a sterile vial in a liquid conducive for the growth of that material in purity and without imperfections entering the substance. After it divides and subdivides, the matter is transferred to a larger laboratory container under the same sterile conditions and temperature and light controls.
The embryonic form becomes quickly apparent and soon the definite form of a fetus is easily recognizable. When the fetus has reached the stage of approximately six months of normal gestational age, it is transferred again, to a holding tank wherein the liquid approximates the amniotic fluid in the womb during pregnancy. In this liquid the fetus continues to evolve normally as if in a womb. When the fetus has reached term development, it is removed from the fluid and is then treated as if birth by natural means has occurred. Except, of course, there is no umbilical cord to treat. Minor cosmetic surgery remedies that absence of the normal appearance.
The process in human replication does not take nine months. It is accelerated by means of chemical additives and ideal circumstances of laboratory makings. The initial process can take between six and seven of your weeks for certainty of perfect fetal development, and another eight to ten weeks is required for the full growth. Since none of this is by natural birth processes, regular gestational time has no meaning.
Cloning is not confined to reproducing infants who are permitted to grow normally from birth into adulthood. When the clone of a specific adult is at stake, the period of aging from emergence of the infant into an adult in prime years, say between 30 and 35 years of age, is only between 350 and 400 days. About one additional month of aging is required to produce a clone of a 65-year-old individual. That is the approximate age of most humans being cloned on Earth at this time.
The substance that permits this rapid aging has not yet been discovered for such a purpose except by those few scientists engaged in the cloning process. A few individuals on Earth have been afflicted with a chemical imbalance that causes their bodies to age far more quickly than what is normal there. A 10-year old child can have the aged appearance and organic functioning and processes of a very old person. Old by your standards, that is, not elsewhere. The chemical that causes the imbalance in that diseased child's system is what is used almost to perfection in the process of rapidly aging infant clones into adults.
This aging acceleration process also requires the addition of several key nutrients to the diet and ideal laboratory conditions of temperature and controlled degrees of oxygen and carbon dioxide. The disadvantage is that when the appearance must be identical to the original person who is about 60 or 65 years old, then the entire cloned being must be aged until that identical appearance is reached. There is no way to stop the aging of the organs and still achieve the necessary appearance, thus the organs are subjected to all the stress of the accelerated aging as well as any deficiencies inherent in the family genes. Even if the newly cloned individual initially appears fresher and younger looking than the original person or the predecessor clone, it quickly breaks down and starts showing more advanced signs of aging in all respects.
I have spoken so far only of the body of a cloned individual. The brain is another matter. It is the most intricate aspect of the growth procedure, both in vitro and once in flesh. The human brain is a computer, and the downloading function from the original brain to the brain of the clone works exactly like your computers in this same type of process.
Duplicating the original brain can be done with perfection in an infant clone. Education is supplied continuously to the clone throughout the aging period from birth to adulthood, and the brain functions as normally as you would expect within the accelerated learning faculties. Because the brain is so vast in capability, the clone's absorption of information during the educational process is not only easy, it is most interesting for the people involved to see such giant leaps in learning. We observe this from here and see this as the only aspect of scientific nature on your planet that is beginning to be enlightened as to functional human brain capacity.
Madam, the extended educational process is necessary because an abrupt insertion of intelligence and knowledge on a “blank slate” would produce a neurological shock.
The clones are instructed from infancy by tutors who are specially trained behavioral scientists. This aspect of the process is exactly what you do with your infants, teaching them to become aware, alert, responsible little individuals with personalities, skills, a sense of responsibility and engaging mannerisms. The tutors, whose students are quite more unique than most, are trained themselves by personal films of the family and are supplied other intimate family history, thus they are familiar with all speech and movement mannerisms of the cloned individual.
It is another matter entirely when a swiftly produced adult clone is the object. A major reason aging can be accelerated is the brain's capability to absorb information and perform functions at a far faster and more comprehensive rate than most Earth people realize. In fact, if this were not so, adult human cloning there would not be possible.
In a rapidly-aged clone, keeping the integrity of all knowledge gained during the original being's lifetime to that point is at stake. The adult clone's initial memory ability is compromised to the extent that the clone may appear befuddled or momentarily at a loss for words until the memory kicks in or the clone's own thinking aspect overrides the hesitation and covers, so to speak. Since this is not highly unusual in "real" people, it is not generally noticed with suspicion in the cloned beings, but rather is considered only a human imperfection.
The downloading of all information in the brain of the original person or of the clone being replaced must be done at the moment of the need for the new clone. This can be done most successfully from the person's brain to the first clone. Slight deterioration occurs with every successive downloading procedure from the outcast clone to its replacement. No, the original brain cannot be used to circumvent this deterioration, even if that individual is still alive, because that original brain does not have the same accumulated knowledge as the most recent cloned entity. You can see that the identical store of latest information is essential if the replacement clone is to be accepted as the real person.
While we are pleased to see this advancement in technology on your planet, its misuse neutralizes our elation at your discovery. Powerful people are being cloned now and have been cloned for many years, and none of this started with good intent. Always it has been for control purposes. Some of your world leaders were cloned many years past and by now are in the thirtieth or more versions of the original person. The purpose of cloning those people is to create the certainty of their longevity and maintenance of their influence.
You can notice the abrupt and considerable change in appearance toward vibrant health and youthfulness of some world leaders as seen in TV films or photographs. Usually this high robustness and stamina immediately follows a day or a few days of absence from the public eye after a period of increasingly evident aging appearance. You attribute those remarkable differences to the person's brief vacation or recovery from a proclaimed illness, but here it is known that, simply, a new clone has replaced the old one.
Yes, several clones are produced at the same time, educated as I previously explained, and kept in various places on your planet to be ever ready as needed for the up-to-the-moment knowledge insertion process. Many versions of the clones are necessary because the art of this science has not been perfected on Earth. The cloned adult bodies disintegrate far more rapidly than same-age bodies having grown old naturally. This is due partly to the accelerated aging process from infant to adult body and partly to the lack of skill in those scientists who perform the various procedures. Earth's third density atmosphere also is a factor.
The cloned individual's family members are, of course, aware of the existence of the clone or clones, and they participate in both the educational process and the "cover-up." If they resist, they themselves are cloned, usually against their will, and their clones carry on with public functions. In some cases the original persons have died naturally, or they have been killed if it served the purpose of still more powerful people. Others are still living, although never seen in public. Only the clones are seen publicly.
To quiet your mind of its question, Madam, five countries have developed the cloning process with just about the same level of success with the reproductions, and one other country is still experimenting with earlier stages. Laboratories are designed around the same functional basis, with little variation in the overall process. Some years ago there were enough variations in procedures so that differences in the quality of the clones were easily detectable. The aging process was the primary difference in approach at the different laboratories, and there were consequential weaknesses in the maximum achievable degree of physical stability and brain downloading success. With the eventual agreeable exchange of technology so that all areas of imperfections could be improved, all the current clones are emerging with approximately the same functioning abilities, appearance and aging characteristics in all countries where they are produced.
Now to continue. I shall address the very important matter of a soul in a cloned body. As for a soul being or not being in these man-made bodies, most definitely, no soul is "born" in a cloned individual, but a soul may choose to enter one. There is good reason for a soul to enter, just as there is good reason for a soul not to.
For a soul who has been waiting to experience in physical form, it is an opportunity to do so in these waning days before great changes within God's plan for raising consciousness of the planet and all of you who are receptive. However, any soul who enters these cloned bodies knows the risk of becoming trapped by the dark forces that have pervaded the psyche of the original person and any predecessor clones. This is a particularly important consideration as brain functioning deteriorates with each downloading process, as I have mentioned, and thereby weakens a soul's mental resistance to becoming trapped. Also, in later versions of the clones, longevity is not long, so those bodies are not looked upon as the paradise life one might suspect of an individual in a highly influential position.
Why would any soul take on such a problem? The power of such an influential position is exactly why some souls are not only willing, they are eager to enter the clone. They do so with the determination to overcome the genetic structure, the influence of the memory, and the inherent tendency to follow the negative path that the original soul was on. When a soul is very strong indeed, there is the will to uplift the genetic and moral character to the point that there does seem to be a turnabout in the "person's" health, attitudes and activities. In such cases, it is because the stronger soul's higher intention attracts the higher light energy that enables it to infuse the cloned body with physical stamina not available to those souls with less resolve, and therefore the stronger soul can sustain the body's life force for a much longer period than a weaker soul can.
Now you are thinking, how can a body live without a soul? The chemical makeup of a physical body is such that it is an independently functioning entity. Its life force is sustained by its own energetic momentum derived from the elements and interacting processes of normal organic functioning. Therefore, a clone without a soul has the same mobility and thinking capacity as any normal body.
Let us address what is not in a clone without a soul. First, emotions are not the givens they are in a naturally created human. A soul-less clone has to acquire the appearance of emotions in accordance with its surroundings, perhaps what is expected of a "regular guy" or maybe a member of high society. It is only conformance to the circle in which the clone moves that gives it the appearance of having emotions.
But the most essential lack in a clone is the spiritual aspect that is inherent in a baby born from the egg and sperm of its parents. The soul life force encompasses those aspects of being that are the bonding with God—conscience, intuition, sense of self at a higher plane than normal conscious functioning. So, neither those ties with God nor natural emotions are within the soul-less cloned individual. Instead, there is a mechanical and mental aspect of what is appropriate to do or say. Once mastered, that ability is as proficient as if the "person" had spent a lifetime accumulating wisdom and behaving properly.
Your mind is so full of questions, Madam! No, producing what you call "test tube babies" is not in the least the same nature as cloning individuals, and most surely not in purpose.
I'm sorry about thinking of so many things to ask you, Hugo. Since it's public knowledge that a sheep has just been cloned, do you know why people en masse haven't questioned whether the same can be done with humans?
Well, Madam, I'd say that even though the cloning of the animal is known, there will be no sustained information on that accomplishment. The art of cloning has not been perfected there, and the products will not age in the same normal way naturally-conceived animals do. When this is realized, there may not be many reports on it. Also I'd say that concentrated publicity could logically cause all thinking individuals to extrapolate that achievement into the possibility of human cloning. That kind of speculation does indeed exist there, but to prevent the major populace accepting such a feat as a possibility, much less a validity, science fiction in books and films is the masterful means whereby the human cloning technology is confined to entertainment, and always in a tenor of absurdity.
I cannot tell you when cloning first was done, but the technology is in the universal mind and therefore accessible to those who tap into this ultimate source of all knowledge.
Hugo, does God approve of cloning?
I am amazed by your question! I never thought to question this. I suppose He doesn't disapprove, as anything that creates for the higher good of the universe surely cannot be considered "bad" by God. It is in the abuse of this cloning capability, like anything else, wherein God most surely would be disappointed, I would think.
Madam Suzy, I ask respectfully that you return to discuss this matter with me another time. I shall come directly in response to your summons or Matthew will contact me, if you prefer. Thank you for this graciousness, and by this I shall say goodbye for a brief time.
The following day: Madam Suzy, thank you for receiving me again. I am heartened to tell you that cloning is not inherently against God. No, not at all. I have given this considerable thought since you questioned it. I have talked with one of the master council members whose wisdom in spiritual affairs is higher than any others in this realm, and he has agreed that cloning is not against God's wishes, only the misuse of the cloned individuals or the self-serving purpose behind the development of them.
Mother, thank you. When readers first questioned if Hillary Clinton is dead or alive and if the “person” seen in public is a clone, holographic image or body double, we asked Nirvana’s monitors of Earth and their answers varied. It is not difficult for them to decipher energy streamer attachments around a person, but the profusion swirling around Hillary contained a mixture of speculation and fact about that specific issue. After the monitors obtained clarity, they gave us the following report.
Hillary is indeed alive, but she has not been seen in public since being assisted into a car several weeks ago. Always one of her clones is nearby—that is standard procedure with any person who has been cloned in your society—but her physical and mental condition at that time was too compromised to download information to the clone, her first to be used. Thus, the pneumonia diagnosis was devised to give Hillary time to regain sufficient stability for the download to proceed. After a brief absence from public view, she reappeared looking refreshed, younger and slimmer, just as she did several years ago when the clones were fabricated. Only the clone and any successors will be seen publicly from now on because Hillary’s deteriorating health would be such a marked contrast to her clone’s vibrancy and high energy.
It isn’t known if that situation will have any effect on presidential campaigning. What is known is, energy surrounding the two major parties’ nominees is negatively ablaze, you could say, and it is possible that scenarios in addition to those mentioned in our August message will develop. Positive energy around Bernie Sanders hasn’t waned, it still is leading him into the presidency.
The unconditional love of all light beings in this universe accompanies you as you help your world move into a long era of love, peace and prosperity for all.
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LOVE and PEACE
Suzanne Ward
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Post by Truth Seeker on Oct 19, 2016 17:23:47 GMT -5
The name of God and the messiah have been deliberately changed by those who call themselves Jees. Yahweh is a name of another idol they worship.
In Exodus Moses ask God for His Name in and God replied "I Am That I Am"
You see, tube first man was named Adam... Which means "MAN" so was all plants and animals named by who they were.
God name is not a "Man's" name (like David or something) yet He was the "FIRST" and will be the "Last"
"I AM" (AHAYAH) is what He is called .... "I AM the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob"
And His son comes in His Fathers name Yashaya (My Savior) Notice the Almighty name within his Sons name. U know much about biblical history and can trace the history of the illuminist and the fallen angels (Lizard) who they are in bed with. Nothing is hidden and beware if the Father of lies who mixes truth with evil so that you may be fooled. (I believe they call themselves the Covenant to fool you now that you have rebelled)
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Post by jesusisking777 on Oct 19, 2016 22:04:39 GMT -5
AS long as you know.. 2 Factions at work here... Good vs Evil..God vs Lucifer.
I heard so many names for father God..as long as you know he is the one true God and creator of all things,He is above in rule of every other false God on this planet.... In hebrew he is another name...who cares..?? Know what is truth..in your heart and Spirit !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 23:33:21 GMT -5
Name of God
Acts 4:10-12 (KJV)
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Psalm 138:2 (KJV)
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Matthew 1:21 (KJV)
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
John 1:41 (KJV)
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
John 4:25-30 (KJV)
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
Acts 4:26 (KJV) The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1st Timothy 2:5
Philippians 2:11(KJV)
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
Notes:The person of Jesus in the new testament is the same person that was worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and by calling him the Lord, it helps tie that together. The bible uses the word Lord, Lord, Jesus Christ is Lord over and over again.
Today during study I learned this from a pastor in regards to the name of God:
"The Lord of the Old Testament is the Lord of the New Testament and that Jesus Christ is Lord. We believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.These three are one. Jesus was in the beginning with God. He was God. You say, "I don't understand it." Great is the mystery of godliness. God was manifest in the flesh, the Bible teaches. Let me close with this final scripture. You don't have to turn there.
It says in Colossians 3:17, "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."
What's the name above every other name? Jesus. Jesus is that name above every other name. What's the name whereby we must be saved? Jesus. Now, are there other names? Sure. There's God Almighty. There is also the tetragrammaton (Yahweh or Jehovah), what we would call the Lord.There's the Lord. His name shall be called wonderful counselor, prince of peace, mighty God, everlasting father, but the name above all names is Jesus. Remember he's magnified as word above all his name."
What I've noticed is that the bible never uses the word, "Yahshua," in it one time.
But in the New Testament; the name Yahweh is not used one time.
"That’s why the King James Bible translates Jehovah or Yahweh as the Lord because that’s how Jesus translated it."
Philippians 2:1-11 (KJV)
2 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Post by Truth Seeker on Oct 20, 2016 13:25:37 GMT -5
In response to Jesusisking777
I totally agree that salvation comes from following the Messiah.
As you have studied the meaning behind 7 and three times a number, I believe the Holy Spirit motivates you to learn many things as you grow on faitb. Much like milk to babies and meat when he is grown.
I don't feel the need to put Bible verses because I believe a fellow reader will notice or look it up himself.
But as far as knowing more about HIM and the mystery of many things in the Bible That are revealed to us:
(Proverbs 2 1-6) My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding— 3indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, 4and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, 5then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God. 6For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
The Holy Spirit has led me to study basic Hebrew letters and numbers and break down verses to their original meaning. As I said before as far as "Yahweh" .,, you may know that this is the name of the god of Judaism. But my study reveals that there is a deliberate psychological attack on Gods children that is revealed throughout the old testament .
(Psalms 83 1-8)
O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear, do not stand aloof, O God. 2 See how your enemies growl, how your foes rear their heads. 3 With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish. 4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” 5 With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you— 6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, 7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. 8 Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants.
As I said I can trace the history of the illuminated people and more. In conclusion I want to stress that Salvation is only from following the Messiah and leaders of the faith will have things revealed to them for their hunger and will be satisfied (ask you shall receive)
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Post by Truth Seeker on Oct 20, 2016 14:20:11 GMT -5
totally agree that salvation comes from following the Messiah. As you have studied the meaning behind 7 and three times a number, I believe the Holy Spirit motivates you to learn many things as you grow on faitb. Much like milk to babies and meat when he is grown. I don't feel the need to put Bible verses because I believe a fellow reader will notice or look it up himself. But as far as knowing more about HIM and the mystery of many things in the Bible That are revealed to us: (Proverbs 2 1-6) My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding— 3indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, 4and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, 5then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God. 6For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. The Holy Spirit has led me to study basic Hebrew letters and numbers and break down verses to their original meaning. As I said before as far as "Yahweh" .,, you may know that this is the name of the god of Judaism. But my study reveals that there is a deliberate psychological attack on Gods children that is revealed throughout the old testament . (Psalms 83 1-8) O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear, do not stand aloof, O God. 2 See how your enemies growl, how your foes rear their heads. 3 With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish. 4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” 5 With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you— 6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, 7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. 8 Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants. As I said I can trace the history of the illuminated people and more. In conclusion I want to stress that Salvation is only from following the Messiah and leaders of the faith will have things revealed to them for their hunger and will be satisfied (ask you shall receive) Read more: donaldmarshall.proboards.com/thread/595/names-god-yahweh#ixzz4Nedgkipe
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Post by diz on Oct 20, 2016 17:36:33 GMT -5
Found this lil piece of folklore/history about lizards in New Zealand. Various types of Vrill described? Myths Concerning Lizards In many lands we find that strange beliefs are, or have been, held concerning the lizard, that it enters into many myths and superstitions. The Maori of New Zealand and his kinsmen in northern isles are well to the front as upholders of these singular beliefs. Generally speaking lizards were dreaded by all Polynesians, and the Maori carried this feeling to the extent of attributing misfortune, calamities, death, to lizards. One explanation of this belief is that the lizard represents Whiro, and Whiro personifies darkness and death; a Maori belief was that evil spirits in lizard form entered bodies of men and consumed their vitals, so causing death. When an expert was called in to treat the case he would pose as an exorcist and expel the malignant spirit from the body of the sufferer. Curiously enough the Maori dread of lizards did not always extend to the tuatara, the largest species thereof, for it was an article of food in pre-European times; this custom may not have been universal but it was certainly widespread. At the same time I have seen natives who appeared horrified at the sight of a tuatara. Some time ago, about 1912, two Maori, an old man and a young one, came into the Dominion Museum, and, ere long, came to a glass case in which were several living tuatara. The old man uttered an exclamation betraying horror, and hurriedly left the building though the young man appeared to be in no way perturbed.
Some wise men have told us that the common green lizard, the moko kakariki (Naultinus elegans) did not originate on earth, it just appeared from space. This looks like an offshoot of the myth concerning flying lizards. The Tuhoe folk have explained to me that the tree lizard develops from a kind of iro (maggot or worm) that is found in the nest of the tihe bird (Pogonornis cincta), while the iro from which the koeau species of lizard is developed is found in the nests of the kaka (Nestor meridionalis), and this iro is light-coloured. This koeau is said to be a species of lizard that grows to about the size of a young tuatara, a statement that does not tell us much. The name resembles kaweau, said to be another name for the tuatara; the koeau is said to be of a reddish colour, and to see one is ominous of coming evil and of death. This fact was proved to my satisfaction by my informant, who said: "Te Rangiua once saw a koeau, and now all his elders are dead." Some of the Tuhoe natives maintained that the koeau and tuatara are two distinct species. Bay of Plenty natives tell us that the tuatara on the Rurima islets develops from iro seen in nests of the kuia or petrel. The Tuhoe folk say that the cuckoo is in some way the offspring of the tree lizard.
We have another reference to a flying lizard in the following remark of a Takitimu native—"This lizard, the moko kakariki, is a supernatural creature. Tamaiwaho reared it when he and Tane went to Tiritiri-o-matangi, he brought it with him as a pet. When he reached Papa [the earth] then Peketua cherished it, and he deferred to it as a supernatural being or demon. So it was that this lizard attained the power of flying through space."
With regard to the tuatara we have already seen that it originally came from an egg, as birds did. That egg was made by Peketua, a brother of Tane, and so he is connected with lizards, while Rakaiora personifies the green lizard. A wise man informs me that, should an armed force on the march to attack an enemy encounter a green lizard on the way, then it would at once return home, it would be folly to proceed in the face of such an evil omen. This is borne out by an old saying: "Ko Rakaiora kokoti i te ara taua i te tuawhenua, he ana kokoti ihu waka i te moana." (Rakaiora intercepting a war party on land is equivalent to a herring intercepting a canoe at sea). Should a single person so encounter a lizard, then he or one of his relatives will ere long be assailed by grievous misfortune, calamity has marked someone for its own. If the lizard so seen is a male then a female relative of the seer will be afflicted; should it be a female then the foredoomed person will be a male. The male of this species, sayeth the Maori, is of a darker colour than the female.
The Algonquin Indians believed that the lizard causes death. The Zulu tells us that the Ancient One sent the lizard to men with the message or dictum "Let men die". The lizard was employed in rites of destructive magic in India, and in Cochin China it is believed that the lizard caused death to enter the world. Far and wide extends this strange belief, and yet the other page shows something in favour of the dreaded lizard. Together with the owl, another ill-omened creature, it is associated with Minerva and the higher forms of wisdom. Miss Buckland (Journal Royal Anthropological Institute, vol. 21) has drawn attention to certain figures, etc., from far sundered lands that show a man holding a lizard as though about to eat it, "the tongue of the reptile being attached to that of the man, as though the latter were receiving inspiration or some special endowment from his totem". This is a well known feature in Maori carvings, for which see a paper on the lizard in Maori carvings in the New Zealand Journal of Science and Technology, vol. 5, p. 321-335, "Notes on the Occurrence of the Lizard in Maori Carving"—Elsdon Best. The Maori cannot now explain his symbolic carvings, and usually refers these representations of persons holding a lizard as though about to eat or swallow it to the old practice of eating the tuatara. As observed above the tuatara served as a food supply in at least some districts, e.g., the Wellington area and the Bay of Plenty, but there is no evidence to show that the smaller species were so utilised. We have, however, learned that these small and dreaded lizards were occasionally eaten in certain ceremonial performances as a form of ordeal. For instance the swallowing of a live lizard sometimes formed a part of the ordeal through which a learner of the arts of black magic had to pass. The eating of a lizard was also occasionally a test applied to a man who proposed to take part in some desperate adventure. Again, when the Maori, in the "sixties" of last century, strove to drive back the encroaching Europeans by force of arms, the Whanganui natives evolved some queer ideas anent the lizard. Thus Crawford tells us, in his account of a sojourn up the river that—At Karatia the Maoris, by order of the tohunga, destroyed a grove of karaka trees to seek lizards, which were to be roasted, pounded, and eaten in a prescribed form in order to enable the Maoris to conquer the English. Crawford, J. C. Recollections of Travel…, p. 111. He also tells us that the natives told the Rev. R. Taylor that the English wanted lizards to destroy the Maori people so that they might obtain possession of their land (ibid., p. 167). On Feb. 21, 1862 the same observer wrote—"Three large canoes passed down the river to Putiki, filled with Maoris. These were all kaingararas, or lizard eaters, bent on a lizard eating expedition to Putiki" (ibid., pp. 171-2). Moser states that lizards were supposed to cause sickness, and so when an epidemic occurred, the natives caught lizards, which were burned by the priest as he recited some form of incantation (Moser, Thomas, Mahoe Leaves, p. 76). Moser's writings pertain to the same period and district as those of Crawford quoted above. I am much inclined to believe that this eating of small lizards referred to was but a brief craze and that it was not an old usage. Earle, a much earlier writer, in his Narrative of a … Residence in New Zealand, p. 142, wrote that—"The lizard is sacred and never injured by them"—though the word "sacred" was hardly the right one to employ.
A curious, and I fear somewhat unorthodox or irresponsible statement, was once made to me by a Maori with whom I was discussing the attitude of natives toward lizards. It was to the effect that Tane proclaimed that lizards should eat of all things on earth. Others objected, saying that lizards were the elders or forerunners of man, while the forerunners or predecessors of lizards were the various forms of vegetation in the world. Man appeared after those things; animal and vegetable life had to appear first, otherwise there would have been no food supplies for man when he arrived. Vegetation had to come before the lizard, or there would have been nought for him to eat. (Evidently Peketua was a vegetarian.) "When food supplies are assured then a home may be called a home", and those food supplies were represented by vegetation. All generations have dreaded the lizard that emanated from Peketua, that came from an egg made of clay.
Notwithstanding the feeling of dread experienced by the Maori in connection with the lizard, yet not only does it frequently occur in his wood carvings, but it is the only creature of the animal world that is given its natural form in such work. In the case of any other creature represented in that art, except man, the observer has to resort to conjecture, and the great majority of the human figures are purposely rendered grotesque. At the Marquesas Isles the lizard was likewise dreaded, and there also it appeared in carved work. This penchant for representing lizards in carved work extends as far as Indonesia. The Maori habit of so frequently depicting a fearsome, dreaded and malignant creature has been equalled only by Christian enthusiasts of the past, they who loved to terrify our forebears by means of pictures showing the horrors of their priest-invented hell, and the activities of Satan.
The incident that connects lizards with Peketua concerns the origin of the tuatara.Prior to the appearance of birds on the earth Peketua kneaded some clay into the form of an egg, which he carried to his brother Tane and enquired as to what he should do with it. Tane replied: "Give it life", and so the egg was fertilised and produced the tuatara lizard. As we have seen, land and sea birds were produced from other eggs in later times.
The atua or "gods", so called, known as Moko-hikuwaru, Moko-titi, Titihai and Tutangata-kino are said to be all atua ngarara, and are probably personified forms of the lizard; in other cases lizards were, we are told, the form in which many atua appeared to the sight of man, i.e., the form of incarnation of such beings. One Tarakumukumu is spoken of as another atua ngarara. Lizards were sometimes placed at the entrance to caves wherein bones of the dead were deposited, and at other places whereat trespass by unauthorised persons was dreaded, and they seem to have been highly effective guardians. Not only would these creatures inspire dread in the minds of trespassers by their presence, but also would there be a conviction that some magic spell had been laid on the tapu place, all of which meant that the anger of certain atua would descend upon any offender.
The Maori tells us that lizards emit some kind of sound, usually described by the term kata, which one hesitates to render as "laugh" in this case; Colenso describes it as a chattering sound. To hear this sound was an ominous occurrence. Now when a Maori heard this sound, or saw a lizard in his path, he knew that it was no chance occurrence, but that it had been sent there for a purpose, by human enemies or by the gods. It may be possible to avert the evil omen of such occurrences, and one method of doing so when you chance upon a lizard is to slay the pernicious creature and then get a woman to step over it.
We now come to a statement that makes amends for all the trouble caused by Peketua or Rakaiora having destroyed myriads of persons in the world of light. This consists of what Tuta Nihoniho assured me was an infallible cure for toothache. The sufferer requests a friend to procure for him a lizard of the species known as mokomoko, but he, the sufferer himself, must not look upon that lizard. When so procured, the lizard is wrapped up so that only its head is seen, then the patient is told to open his mouth, and the lizard is thrust into it so that its head rests upon the offending tooth. The patient then bites, crunches the head of the lizard until blood flows. This, I was informed, is an absolutely certain cure for toothache, never again will that tooth ache.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 18:52:32 GMT -5
Great post Truth Seeker. I hope Don eyes see them too.
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Post by Astral Light on Oct 21, 2016 12:04:33 GMT -5
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just as Don says...these clones stink cos theyre rarely washed...............
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Post by Astral Light on Oct 28, 2016 13:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by Astral Light on Nov 5, 2016 18:26:15 GMT -5
Gopal Soandkar 28-10-1627 नुरजहां ४थे जहांगीरची पत्नी David Beach The comment box is missing from most of the Donald Marshall posts, yet other post comments. Is there something wrong with my settings? Anyone? Thanks. Norma Zapotechne yes, I noticed that too. Grace Welch Me as well. I'm also not able to friend request him Jane Lewis Yes, I'd like to still know why you lied
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Post by Astral Light on Nov 8, 2016 9:18:31 GMT -5
Celine O'carroll shared a post Sasha Edwards - Via AJames Gaga is a Vril Parasite Host...so, of course, she/it is up for this blood bath feast. #Hellish #DeathToDrones
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Post by Astral Light on Nov 8, 2016 9:20:03 GMT -5
Celine O'carroll thanks Sasha Edwards for this.......... Sasha Edwards - Pic from BoB...for new album Air bender. ...Curious, don't you think, considering recent "revelations" about spirit cooking and such. Never forget everything is planned. I'd like to know when these photos were taken. Before or after the Abramovic scandal.
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